You know, sometimes I really miss arguing with east coast people.
Tonight I was out with some people, and when the conversation stayed around the stereotypical stuff of people our age, cultural references and cynicism and easy jokes, the conversation flowed freely and everything was fun.
But the second things turned at all political and interesting, I remembered what drives me nuts about California liberalism. They're just not used to being around people that disagree with them, and it makes them so uncomfortable that they're unable to have an intelligent conversation.
It's one of those bizarre condescending things that drives me absolutely crazy. As soon as they realize you're not hook line and sinker part of the bay area liberal mentality, even though my libertarianism makes me about half liberal, they start making dismissive statements like "Oh, Tobin is just wrong. Ha ha ha.", and completely refusing to engage in any viewpoint that isn't their own.
In Pittsburgh and Maryland, I had some amazing and enlightening conversations where I actually learned about how other people thought, and *gasp* changed some of my opinions when people had well thought out arguments. Out here in California, I tend to make a few logical arguments that people don't (or can't) refute, and they retreat into jokes and insults, and never engage at all. They're so horrified that someone wouldn't be trying to out-liberal them like all their other friends that they basically go into an intellectual paralysis, despite being otherwise intelligent people.
It's not that these people don't have political opinions, they're full of them, and they want to spout them at every possible opportunity. They just don't want to *discuss* them. Any actual discussion makes them very uncomfortable, they just want to say what they believe, and have everyone around them nod sympathetically.
This is a pretty common pattern. I've had very few intelligent political conversations with people that disagree with me since I came out to California, and I find myself missing the challenge and excitement of it. What's the fun in only talking to people that agree with you, you bastards? These are things that are IMPORTANT. We should talk about them. Lots of people who don't live in this little bubble disagree with you, and you should be willing to engage and understand them.